2019 Payout Structure ($100 Buy-In & Non-Playoff Tournament)

Want to get some discussion started on this so we can take some options to a vote.

How about this:
Playoffs:
  1st: $450
  2nd:  240
  3rd:  110
  4th:  60
Regular Season:
  1: 130
  2: 90
  3: 70
  4: 70
  5: 50
  6: 50
  7: 50
  8: 50
  9: 50
 10: 50
Stats: Each category winner x12: 40
Hopefully this all adds up to $2000.

My thinking here is to have at least 50% of the owners getting at least half of their investment back. It also increases the benefit of having a strategy that concentrates on a given stat that should make competition greater in the league.
The best teams will still get the majority of the cash but there will be enough incentive for all teams to compete during the season and in the case of teams leaving the league the structure will be more likely to be received favorably by perspective new owners.

1st - $450
2nd - $275
3rd - $150
4th - $100 ($975 for playoffs)
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reg
1 - $200
2 - $100
3 & 4 - $75/each
5 through 8 - $50/each

9-20 - playoff winner $50, runner up $25

12 categors @ $25 each = $300

--- If paying out to 10 places is ideal, we can take $25 from 2nd place in the playoffs, and from 1st place in the regular season

I would like to back Thom’s structure. Open to any others. This will go to a vote as well.

I like Thom’s too but torn that non playoff teams will be actively picking short term use guys up effecting main playoffs. Not a fan of that. Maybe lock non playoff teams? Though that’s doesn’t work as right now we all pick up some speculative adds for the offseason. Maybe engineer waivers so real playoff teams go to top. I don’t know but I think we need something to avoid inadvertently impacting the championship.

I don’t like upping reward for category winners as the other proposal suggests. If anything we should be lowering those and paying 1st amd 2nd to mitigate the unabashed streaming we saw to win a couple categories and guarantee an owner money each year.

Playoffs ($975):
1st: $500
2nd: $250
3rd: $150
4th: $75

Regular Season Standings ($575):
1st: $150
2nd: $125
3rd: $100
4th: $75
5th: $50
6th: $25
7th: $25
8th: $25

Categories @$30 ($360):
12 Individual Stats

Loser Bracket Playoffs(9-20)($90): I can lock the transactions for these teams so they will only be able to play with the players they currently have if we want to avoid the WW pick up worries.
1st: $50
2nd: $25
3rd: $15

I think this would be a better balance, with the higher winnings we still want to reward the league champion who I think would still likely get a lower percentage of the winnings than in prior years. (I am thinking under this structure max champ could get $750 which is only another $100 or two more than last year).

And I rather provide a bit more money into the players that chase after certain categories from a bottom of the league perspective.

I don't like the idea of locking waivers. That is a significant change from current rules and a talent acquisition disadvantage to teams that don't make/advance in "winner" playoffs. I don't think the fight for players on waivers will be significantly different than it is now. I also think a limit to number of moves per week would help address this issue.

One other item we need to clarify: Is the draft order based on the results of the "loser" playoffs or regular season standings? I vote the loser playoffs determine the draft order so the winner would also be playing for the 1st pick.

Mduncan15 wrote:

I don't like the idea of locking waivers.  That is a significant change from current rules and a talent acquisition disadvantage to teams that don't make/advance in "winner" playoffs.  I don't think the fight for players on waivers will be significantly different than it is now.  I also think a limit to number of moves per week would help address this issue.

One other item we need to clarify:  Is the draft order based on the results of the "loser" playoffs or regular season standings?  I vote the loser playoffs determine the draft order so the winner would also be playing for the 1st pick.

So, the loser playoff gets the same amount as the last few real playoff spots AND the number 1 pick? I think we'll see tanking in the middle of the standing lol.....

jamcam13 wrote:

Mduncan15 wrote:

I don't like the idea of locking waivers.  That is a significant change from current rules and a talent acquisition disadvantage to teams that don't make/advance in "winner" playoffs.  I don't think the fight for players on waivers will be significantly different than it is now.  I also think a limit to number of moves per week would help address this issue.

One other item we need to clarify:  Is the draft order based on the results of the "loser" playoffs or regular season standings?  I vote the loser playoffs determine the draft order so the winner would also be playing for the 1st pick.

So, the loser playoff gets the same amount as the last few real playoff spots AND the number 1 pick?  I think we'll see tanking in the middle of the standing lol.....

In my mind the winner of the loser bracket would be seeded with the 12th pick and get money for trying when they could have stopped paying attention for 4 weeks. While the last place team (basically team that lost in first round) with worst regular season record would get 1st pick.

Playoffs ($825):
1st: $350
2nd: $225
3rd: $175
4th: $100

Regular Season Standings ($1025):
1st: $300
2nd: $200
3rd: $150
4th: $125
5th: $75
6th: $75
7th: $50
8th: $50

Categories: Let's eliminate this and put that money in the pool for regular season and playoff. Emphasis more on winning regular season.
I think this would get people to press a little more in order during the regular season in order to cash. If I'm the 8th seed and win $50 thats great where in the past, if I'm #8 I know I'm probably going to lose in the playoffs anyway and walk away with nothing.

Loser Bracket Playoffs(9-20)($150):
1st: $50
2nd: $50
3rd: $25
4th: $25

I also would have no problem rewarding a supplemental 1st rounder for the 1st place in the loser bracket and a supplemental 2nd rounder for the 2nd place. Followed lastly by a supplemental 3rd rounder to both 3rd and 4th place finishers in the losers bracket. Only an idea...

Bryan's idea I think has some merit.

1st - $450
2nd - $275
3rd - $150
4th - $100 ($975 for playoffs)
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reg
1 - $200
2 - $100
3 & 4 - $75/each
5 through 8 - $50/each

9-20 - playoff winner $50, runner up $25

12 categors @ $25 each = $300


Stephen’s -

Playoffs ($975):
1st: $500
2nd: $250
3rd: $150
4th: $75

Regular Season Standings ($575):
1st: $150
2nd: $125
3rd: $100
4th: $75
5th: $50
6th: $25
7th: $25
8th: $25

Categories @$30 ($360):
12 Individual Stats

Loser Bracket Playoffs(9-20)($90):
1st: $50
2nd: $25
3rd: $15

Aaron’s -

Playoffs ($825):
1st: $350
2nd: $225
3rd: $175
4th: $100

Regular Season Standings ($1025):
1st: $300
2nd: $200
3rd: $150
4th: $125
5th: $75
6th: $75
7th: $50
8th: $50

Categories: Eliminated

Loser Bracket Playoffs(9-20)($150):
1st: $50
2nd: $50
3rd: $25
4th: $25

Bryan - thanks for doing that. I like yours best. Only thing I’d tweak is take $5 out of categories and put it into 3&4 place regular season. You should get your money back if you come in top 4. That could leave 10 over. Don’t mind you putting that in first place regular season. A single category should not be worth half of making playoffs anyway.

I could honestly see bringing your category down to 15 and putting it into first and 2nd place regular season even. $15 a category is a nice “tip” and maybe that addresses the streaming to make money on categories a bit while still giving people other ways to make back a bit of coin back.

1st - 245
2nd - 125
3&4- 100

One final alternative - leave categories at 20 or 25 and split it for top 2 in each. Spread wealth a little more, leave cats competitive for more of year and it probably ends up where I was putting it above anyway. So, 15 and 10 or even 10 and 10 (I still like top 4 at least getting their money back, and is winning a category really all that great that you need to differentiate 2nd?). I don’t think we’ve ever considered paying more than top spot for categories. I like idea of paying them as it gives less competitive teams a chance, but we are now doing that with loser playoff.